20 July 2012
LIKE A BAT OUT OF HELL
I had many expectations, and no expectations for The Dark Knight Rises, but I can say with absolute certainty that I was never even remotely prepared for this: that it would remind me, of all things, of a 1921 D.W. Griffith picture. Orphans of the Storm, to be precise, a story of the French Revolution that acts pretty much like you'd expect a Griffith melodrama to except for the title cards proclaiming in urgent, message-movie tones that Paris in the 1790s, like America in the 1920s, was under the constant danger of radical infiltration, and things like the Reign of Terror happen when you let the Bolsheviks get a hold on you. Didn't know that there were Marxist revolutionaries around decades before Karl Marx was born? Doesn't matter.
The Dark Knight Rises, the concluding chapter in director Christopher Nolan's three-film, seven-year attempt to create a darker, grander, more worldly narrative surrounding beloved comic book superhero Batman, like Orphans of the Storm comes at a time of social unrest with a new awareness of class issues in America - though, it absolutely bears mentioning, TDKR was written and largely produced before Occupy Wall Street and the moment that "99%" entered our everyday vocabulary, so while it can be said to have tapped into something profound in the Zeigeist, it is not so much a piece of deliberate social commentary as it might look - like Orphans of the Storm, it depicts a violent revolution in which the lower classes take power from the Powers That Be, and the film's vision of such a revolution is explicitly cast in terms recalling the French Revolution and Reign of terror, for it begins with an attack on a prison and includes proletarian-run kangaroo courts (Nolan, co-writer and brother Jonathan Nolan, and co-story writer David S. Goyer were avowedly influenced by Dickens's A Tale of Two Cities, which is quoted in a spectacularly grabby, self-aware way in a key scene near the end). Most importantly, like Orphans of the Storm, The Dark Knight Rises concludes, and reiterates, and harps upon, that when the lower class gets a little taste of power, things get absolutely fucking terrible. I shall refrain from calling it a reactionary film - I think the political readings of Nolan's Batman films are easy to overdo - but it is unexpected, anyway, to see a major summer release so broadly and sweepingly and largely claiming that sharing power, influence, and wealth are inherently awful, and we should keep it all sequestered right where it is, with the people who know how to use it properly.
It did, anyway, color my experience of the movie for the worse, though all things considered, it's not a tremendously big part of the whole. Nothing, in fact, is a tremendously big part of the whole, for at 164 minutes, TDKR is a great bloody big beast of a movie, and despite the epic scale of most of its individual moments, they are all humbled by the scope of the feature itself, a massive slab of summertime epic moviemaking that takes the operatic excess of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and ramps it up to a new extravagance altogether. Revisting the prior Nolan Batman films, I have drifted away from the idea that they're "realistic"; they use a kind of cod-realism as a tool to get at something else, which is more mythic and heightened that realism. Even adjusting for that, The Dark Knight Rises does not necessarily resemble realism even superficially. It is much too ambitious in scope and tone for that, aiming for a massive spectacle that is grounded in human drama even as it wildly surpasses human scale, and while the execution and effect are totally different, it's hard not to think of this as the superhero movie equivalent of Wagner's Götterdämmerung, a film that depicts the end of a legend with bombastic, crushing zeal, even as it makes a conscious point of reducing itself to person-sized conflicts after the rather broader metaphor vs. symbol drama of The Dark Knight.
Much of this, no doubt, is because The Dark Knight had the Joker as played by Heath Ledger, still one of the most impressive blockbuster performances of all time, finding the point where a very particular human psychopath was also an agent and conduit of impulses and forces far more elemental than just the bad guy in a crime story. TDKR was never going to come even a little bit close to matching that, and wisely the Nolans and Goyer didn't even bother trying. Instead, they call up hugely important but relatively unknown Rogues Gallery player Bane, played by Tom Hardy (one of three Inception veterans new to the Batman universe), an anarchist terrorist and genius tactician who's also physically strong to an incredible degree - not, unsurprisingly, because of a super-soldier serum, which would have fit poorly in Nolan's universe, though it leaves Bane with an iconic face-mask that needs a new explanation, and the one the filmmakers come up with isn't entirely satisfying, or complete.
Bane's multi-part scheme is to bring Gotham City to ruin largely through economic means (playing off of a single line in Begins), and it takes quite a lot of nasty tricks before we even get to that faked people's revolution, giving the film more or less a two-stories-for-the-price-of-one structure: first is the story of how Bane drags Batman (Christian Bale) out of an eight-year retirement and the caped crusader's alter-ego, Bruce Wayne, out of a Howard Hughesian exile from humanity, then attempts to destroy the hero's body and soul; the second is how Bane turns Gotham into a desolate, totalitarian state, living under the threat of a nuclear bomb, needing the return of a hero to save the city from utter destruction. Going into it more than that would ruin the fun, and probably be wholly unnecessary to boot.
I will go no further in burying the lede: I was let down a bit. The emerging wisdom is that TDKR is getting the strongest notices from people who were cool towards The Dark Knight, and vice versa; as one who likes The Dark Knight a hell of a lot but still prefers Batman Begins, I don't count in this dynamic, but there you have it anyway. It is, I find, a good movie overall with intermittently great moments, and it is very lucky that the final five or ten minutes are among the very best, absent one excruciatingly cutesy joke about a never-seen member of the Batman universe, and that the final half-dozen shots in particular, in the exact order that they occur, are the exact best possible send-off to a series as grandiose in concept and brutal in tone as Nolan's trilogy; it guarantees that anybody with any significant connection to this version of these characters is going to have a nice prickling feeling as they leave the theater.
That said, it's so much more of a movie broken apart into moments, and not one that feels like one constant flow: the old screenwriting trap of a "this happened, then this happened, then this happened" structure, except that given the huge emphasis that everything gets, it's more like "THIS happened! This happened! THIS! HAPPENED!" To be perfectly honest, there's simply too much movie going on to take it all: not in a welcome, "getting overwhelmed by the depth and complexity" way, but in a "there are too many high-stakes things going on all the time, and they start to blend into a uniform fog" way. The action scenes, of which there are many, tend to get exhaustingly busy after a time - the best setpiece in the movie, by every yardstick I can think of, consists of nothing at all but two men punching each other on a narrpw scaffold, and there's no way that's a coincidence - although they are handsomely mounted and conceived, and while I've never entirely understood the arguments against Lee Smith's editing in the Batman trilogy (arguments that many very wise people hold very dearly, I might add), I think that the bulk of those complaints have been largely addressed by a film that has considerably smoother editing, on the whole, than its predecessors, and action that is largely much easier to follow. Your milage may vary on whether that's a good thing or not: every time I manage to convince myself that the discontinuous, messy editing in the first two is a bad thing, I rewatch them, and find that actually, I really like it; gives the films a twitchy, untamed energy. Also, I think it's precisely because TDKR is more clearly, classically edited movie (with some notable exceptions , and at least two obvious mistakes that came about in the transition from IMAX to 35mm film; one shot late in the movie of Batman just out-of-nowhere appearing with two other characters leaps to mind) that it starts to pick up a case of the longeurs; every scene moves at such a steady but unhurried pace that the whole movie just feels kind of slow, and while it is only 11 minutes longer than its immediate predecessor, it is much pacier.
There's at least one argument that this is the exact point: that The Dark Knight Rises, in describing a world that has gotten very worn out, with its protagonist who is extremely fatigued almost every time he does anything (in a shocking twist for the superhero genre, just about every big fight is followed by Bruce Wayne's slow, tormented recovery from the workout he just got), and in its general sense of, "we got here, now what the hell can we do?" hopelessness, the film is suited somewhat to a slower, wearier pace than the chaotic and overclocked Dark Knight, but that's not necessarily a defense that's very exciting during e.g. the long, long, long stretch in the middle when Bane sets up his new dictatorship.
Here's the thing, though: for all the movie is a let-down after what I'd consider to be two pretty drum-tight blockbusters (and it's easy to get lost in the thickets of Nolan's editing and composition, and his tendency to spell out and repeat themes and exposition, and forget that he is, after all, making large, pulverising summertime entertainments for a mass audience, not icy chamber dramas for arthouses, the overenthusiastic ranting of his most unhinged fans notwithstanding), it's still good; in fact, it is the second big comic book movie of the year, following The Avengers, that is completely satisfying without being more than slightly breathtaking, a hugely appealling broad-strokes action movie that nevertheless feels that, given everything, it should have a bit... more, y'know? The scale of the action is there all right, but not entirely the creativity; the opulence of the IMAX frame is undeniably arresting, and far better than 3-D, and I'd still recommend it as the best way to see it, but it's also nowhere near as sophisticated as Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol. For that matter, Wally Pfister's cinematgraphy, is across the board, not as fresh as in his previous Batman films, although the severe wintry color paltette is a good fit for the "Dystopian Gotham" sequence.
And on the other hand, it has a whole lot of really engaging performances - Anne Hathaway isn't the definitive Selina Kyle (who is never once called Catwoman here), but she's maybe the most complex character in the movie, and the actress finds that which is sexy and playful in the role without abandoning the internal fortitude and physical viciousness (she's the best female in Nolan's filmography, though that doesn't say much); Joseph Gordon-Levitt, as a young idealist, does well by a flat character, and of course the returning cast has already proven themselves, but maintains the high level of achievement they've demonstrated to this point (Hardy, meanwhile, is locked inside a character that's sort of acting-proof). Only Marion Cotillard, of the main cast, is actively bad, but she has a singularly undistinguished part. The visual effects and especially the sound design are stunning, as far as unadulterated spectacle goes - the latter a hypnotic blend of harsh and sudden twists of volume that give the whole movie a terrifying unpredictability, and Bane's strange machine voice, it turns out, is nowhere near as confusing and frustrating as all the trailers made it out to be.
So all that being the case - The Dark Knight Rises being a wholly edifying popcorn movie with a great big knock-you-on-your-ass scope and ear-blowing Hans Zimmer music and a sense of hope against end-times fatalism that's the first indication of honest-to-God humanism in the trilogy - why do I feel so disappointed? Because it's just a popcorn movie, maybe, and the other two, along with most of Nolan's films ever, always felt like they had more ambition than that, even if they were sometimes messy along the way. Lord knows the world needs good popcorn movies, and there's nothing wrong with ginormous spectacle that's done with as much fire and intensity as this; but we were promised more than that, don't you think?
7/10
The Dark Knight Rises, the concluding chapter in director Christopher Nolan's three-film, seven-year attempt to create a darker, grander, more worldly narrative surrounding beloved comic book superhero Batman, like Orphans of the Storm comes at a time of social unrest with a new awareness of class issues in America - though, it absolutely bears mentioning, TDKR was written and largely produced before Occupy Wall Street and the moment that "99%" entered our everyday vocabulary, so while it can be said to have tapped into something profound in the Zeigeist, it is not so much a piece of deliberate social commentary as it might look - like Orphans of the Storm, it depicts a violent revolution in which the lower classes take power from the Powers That Be, and the film's vision of such a revolution is explicitly cast in terms recalling the French Revolution and Reign of terror, for it begins with an attack on a prison and includes proletarian-run kangaroo courts (Nolan, co-writer and brother Jonathan Nolan, and co-story writer David S. Goyer were avowedly influenced by Dickens's A Tale of Two Cities, which is quoted in a spectacularly grabby, self-aware way in a key scene near the end). Most importantly, like Orphans of the Storm, The Dark Knight Rises concludes, and reiterates, and harps upon, that when the lower class gets a little taste of power, things get absolutely fucking terrible. I shall refrain from calling it a reactionary film - I think the political readings of Nolan's Batman films are easy to overdo - but it is unexpected, anyway, to see a major summer release so broadly and sweepingly and largely claiming that sharing power, influence, and wealth are inherently awful, and we should keep it all sequestered right where it is, with the people who know how to use it properly.
It did, anyway, color my experience of the movie for the worse, though all things considered, it's not a tremendously big part of the whole. Nothing, in fact, is a tremendously big part of the whole, for at 164 minutes, TDKR is a great bloody big beast of a movie, and despite the epic scale of most of its individual moments, they are all humbled by the scope of the feature itself, a massive slab of summertime epic moviemaking that takes the operatic excess of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and ramps it up to a new extravagance altogether. Revisting the prior Nolan Batman films, I have drifted away from the idea that they're "realistic"; they use a kind of cod-realism as a tool to get at something else, which is more mythic and heightened that realism. Even adjusting for that, The Dark Knight Rises does not necessarily resemble realism even superficially. It is much too ambitious in scope and tone for that, aiming for a massive spectacle that is grounded in human drama even as it wildly surpasses human scale, and while the execution and effect are totally different, it's hard not to think of this as the superhero movie equivalent of Wagner's Götterdämmerung, a film that depicts the end of a legend with bombastic, crushing zeal, even as it makes a conscious point of reducing itself to person-sized conflicts after the rather broader metaphor vs. symbol drama of The Dark Knight.
Much of this, no doubt, is because The Dark Knight had the Joker as played by Heath Ledger, still one of the most impressive blockbuster performances of all time, finding the point where a very particular human psychopath was also an agent and conduit of impulses and forces far more elemental than just the bad guy in a crime story. TDKR was never going to come even a little bit close to matching that, and wisely the Nolans and Goyer didn't even bother trying. Instead, they call up hugely important but relatively unknown Rogues Gallery player Bane, played by Tom Hardy (one of three Inception veterans new to the Batman universe), an anarchist terrorist and genius tactician who's also physically strong to an incredible degree - not, unsurprisingly, because of a super-soldier serum, which would have fit poorly in Nolan's universe, though it leaves Bane with an iconic face-mask that needs a new explanation, and the one the filmmakers come up with isn't entirely satisfying, or complete.
Bane's multi-part scheme is to bring Gotham City to ruin largely through economic means (playing off of a single line in Begins), and it takes quite a lot of nasty tricks before we even get to that faked people's revolution, giving the film more or less a two-stories-for-the-price-of-one structure: first is the story of how Bane drags Batman (Christian Bale) out of an eight-year retirement and the caped crusader's alter-ego, Bruce Wayne, out of a Howard Hughesian exile from humanity, then attempts to destroy the hero's body and soul; the second is how Bane turns Gotham into a desolate, totalitarian state, living under the threat of a nuclear bomb, needing the return of a hero to save the city from utter destruction. Going into it more than that would ruin the fun, and probably be wholly unnecessary to boot.
I will go no further in burying the lede: I was let down a bit. The emerging wisdom is that TDKR is getting the strongest notices from people who were cool towards The Dark Knight, and vice versa; as one who likes The Dark Knight a hell of a lot but still prefers Batman Begins, I don't count in this dynamic, but there you have it anyway. It is, I find, a good movie overall with intermittently great moments, and it is very lucky that the final five or ten minutes are among the very best, absent one excruciatingly cutesy joke about a never-seen member of the Batman universe, and that the final half-dozen shots in particular, in the exact order that they occur, are the exact best possible send-off to a series as grandiose in concept and brutal in tone as Nolan's trilogy; it guarantees that anybody with any significant connection to this version of these characters is going to have a nice prickling feeling as they leave the theater.
That said, it's so much more of a movie broken apart into moments, and not one that feels like one constant flow: the old screenwriting trap of a "this happened, then this happened, then this happened" structure, except that given the huge emphasis that everything gets, it's more like "THIS happened! This happened! THIS! HAPPENED!" To be perfectly honest, there's simply too much movie going on to take it all: not in a welcome, "getting overwhelmed by the depth and complexity" way, but in a "there are too many high-stakes things going on all the time, and they start to blend into a uniform fog" way. The action scenes, of which there are many, tend to get exhaustingly busy after a time - the best setpiece in the movie, by every yardstick I can think of, consists of nothing at all but two men punching each other on a narrpw scaffold, and there's no way that's a coincidence - although they are handsomely mounted and conceived, and while I've never entirely understood the arguments against Lee Smith's editing in the Batman trilogy (arguments that many very wise people hold very dearly, I might add), I think that the bulk of those complaints have been largely addressed by a film that has considerably smoother editing, on the whole, than its predecessors, and action that is largely much easier to follow. Your milage may vary on whether that's a good thing or not: every time I manage to convince myself that the discontinuous, messy editing in the first two is a bad thing, I rewatch them, and find that actually, I really like it; gives the films a twitchy, untamed energy. Also, I think it's precisely because TDKR is more clearly, classically edited movie (with some notable exceptions , and at least two obvious mistakes that came about in the transition from IMAX to 35mm film; one shot late in the movie of Batman just out-of-nowhere appearing with two other characters leaps to mind) that it starts to pick up a case of the longeurs; every scene moves at such a steady but unhurried pace that the whole movie just feels kind of slow, and while it is only 11 minutes longer than its immediate predecessor, it is much pacier.
There's at least one argument that this is the exact point: that The Dark Knight Rises, in describing a world that has gotten very worn out, with its protagonist who is extremely fatigued almost every time he does anything (in a shocking twist for the superhero genre, just about every big fight is followed by Bruce Wayne's slow, tormented recovery from the workout he just got), and in its general sense of, "we got here, now what the hell can we do?" hopelessness, the film is suited somewhat to a slower, wearier pace than the chaotic and overclocked Dark Knight, but that's not necessarily a defense that's very exciting during e.g. the long, long, long stretch in the middle when Bane sets up his new dictatorship.
Here's the thing, though: for all the movie is a let-down after what I'd consider to be two pretty drum-tight blockbusters (and it's easy to get lost in the thickets of Nolan's editing and composition, and his tendency to spell out and repeat themes and exposition, and forget that he is, after all, making large, pulverising summertime entertainments for a mass audience, not icy chamber dramas for arthouses, the overenthusiastic ranting of his most unhinged fans notwithstanding), it's still good; in fact, it is the second big comic book movie of the year, following The Avengers, that is completely satisfying without being more than slightly breathtaking, a hugely appealling broad-strokes action movie that nevertheless feels that, given everything, it should have a bit... more, y'know? The scale of the action is there all right, but not entirely the creativity; the opulence of the IMAX frame is undeniably arresting, and far better than 3-D, and I'd still recommend it as the best way to see it, but it's also nowhere near as sophisticated as Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol. For that matter, Wally Pfister's cinematgraphy, is across the board, not as fresh as in his previous Batman films, although the severe wintry color paltette is a good fit for the "Dystopian Gotham" sequence.
And on the other hand, it has a whole lot of really engaging performances - Anne Hathaway isn't the definitive Selina Kyle (who is never once called Catwoman here), but she's maybe the most complex character in the movie, and the actress finds that which is sexy and playful in the role without abandoning the internal fortitude and physical viciousness (she's the best female in Nolan's filmography, though that doesn't say much); Joseph Gordon-Levitt, as a young idealist, does well by a flat character, and of course the returning cast has already proven themselves, but maintains the high level of achievement they've demonstrated to this point (Hardy, meanwhile, is locked inside a character that's sort of acting-proof). Only Marion Cotillard, of the main cast, is actively bad, but she has a singularly undistinguished part. The visual effects and especially the sound design are stunning, as far as unadulterated spectacle goes - the latter a hypnotic blend of harsh and sudden twists of volume that give the whole movie a terrifying unpredictability, and Bane's strange machine voice, it turns out, is nowhere near as confusing and frustrating as all the trailers made it out to be.
So all that being the case - The Dark Knight Rises being a wholly edifying popcorn movie with a great big knock-you-on-your-ass scope and ear-blowing Hans Zimmer music and a sense of hope against end-times fatalism that's the first indication of honest-to-God humanism in the trilogy - why do I feel so disappointed? Because it's just a popcorn movie, maybe, and the other two, along with most of Nolan's films ever, always felt like they had more ambition than that, even if they were sometimes messy along the way. Lord knows the world needs good popcorn movies, and there's nothing wrong with ginormous spectacle that's done with as much fire and intensity as this; but we were promised more than that, don't you think?
7/10
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I would love to hear your interpretation of the ending. My friend and I have completely different theories and I'd like to know how you interpreted it.
ReplyDeleteSidebar: I've been reading your blog for years and this review was one of the most engaging and well written I've read to date.
Tim,
ReplyDeleteYou liked this movie much, much more than I did. Perhaps it's my own fault for buying into the hype and becoming over-judgmental but I would put this on par with Spiderman 3 in terms of a franchise-ruining disgrace. Horrid dialogue, innumerable nonsensical plot machinations and plot wholes. I don't want to get into spoilers, which is really what you need to do to list the catalogue of awful. Even treated by the standards of low-brow popcorn entertainment I found it lacking. The end is the largest failure of all- tonally at war with the rest of the franchise. History will be very unkind to this film.
"- but it is unexpected, anyway, to see a major summer release so broadly and sweepingly and largely claiming that sharing power, influence, and wealth are inherently awful, and we should keep it all sequestered right where it is, with the people who know how to use it properly"
ReplyDeleteHave you ever bothered to read the history of the French Revolution and the Terror? Or that of the Khmer Rouge, where wearing glasses was sufficiently "upper class" to mark you for death? Or the Soviet system where people scrambled to prove pure proletarian bloodlines? Or do they no longer teach history in whatever podunk north American college you were educated?
This is how revolutions like that one end up. And you may think you're in control and will be okay; so did Danton, Marat, and Robespierre.
(you can google those names)
Anyway, you're right that they didn't do the dystopian stuff well; in "The Dark Knight Strikes Again" it is all handled so much better
@ required
ReplyDeleteI don't know what Eastern European country that just came out from the iron curtain 30 years ago you hail from but not all critiques of capitalism are inherently bad. The fact anyone- ANYONE- is allowed to amass a billionaire dollars is a disgrace. Just because you can throw out a few names from the French revolution (it's the internet anyone can look that shit up) doesn't make you some kind of socio-economic expert. Marie Antoinette and the rest of those fuckers deserved to have their heads roll. It was a necessary evil to restore balance. How dare you attack Tim on his blog about film criticism with incidental, unrelated bullshit. Tim is reviewing a movie, not creating a master's thesis on the French revolution.
After seeing the trailer, I wondered if the film was really going to be as reactionary as it seemed. Looks like it is. Well, at least Nolan is being honest to the character, who's inherently something of a right-winger's wet dream.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your sincere review, no one expected any less. I have a feeling though, that perhaps some reviewers are overly concerned about claiming that "it is better than the Avengers" because they have an agenda, which I agree with, that these films should be considered for awards, while the Marvel films, many of which I truly adore, though some are kind of nonsense; maybe due to their quantity, seem more colorful, etc.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I had a lot of little nagging problems with the film, but I'll only mention the one that was one of the bigger ones as well as the least spoilery: Nolan and Co. made no attempt to hide the fact that the movie was shot in New York City. If you want the audience to believe that this is Gotham City, you cannot show the Empire State Building, or the Chrysler Building, or even the new One World Trade Center. Seeing these unmistakable landmarks ruins the illusion of Gotham City. It was a non-existent problem in BB, it was noticeable but ultimately forgettable in TDK, but in TDKR it was frankly distracting.
ReplyDelete@ required, you could have just skipped your more upfront political commentary and only gone with the implication that The Dark Knight Strikes Again did anything well.
ReplyDeleteOr do they no longer teach history in whatever podunk north American college you were educated?
ReplyDeleteDo you think making saying pointlessly dickish things like this is going to help anyone to take your comment seriously?
"but it is unexpected, anyway, to see a major summer release so broadly and sweepingly and largely claiming that sharing power, influence, and wealth are inherently awful, and we should keep it all sequestered right where it is, with the people who know how to use it properly"
ReplyDeleteIMO, you missed the entire point of the film. Bane was using this political and theological soapbox as a means to manipulate people into standing behind him. Many of the people who stood behind him were the people who he broke free from prison.
His mission was not to give the power back to the oppressed. He made that very clear when confronting Wayne/Batman. What was his real mission? I'm not going to spoil it, but since you've seen the film, you shouldn't have any questions of that. Its stated many times. So, really, I don't get why you are going off into this direction with your review, when the movie is very sweepingly saying that some men with evil in their hearts will use any means necessary to manipulate people to stand behind them.
Theological was the wrong word. Maybe an unneeded word, actually.
ReplyDeleteAlso, there are other characters in this film who are in positions of power and wealth who abuse it. In fact, Batman Begins was all about these types. The Dark Knight as well, with a corrupted system rotting Gotham. Apparently you and I are watching two different trilogies. Because I don't agree with what you are saying, at all.
Did anyone else not find it hugely problematic when a certain plot-twist happened that changed the status of a certain character? Did anyone else find that it made certain of that character's past actions seem incomprehensibly motivated in retrospect? It was an exact — exact! — retread of a huge flaw in "Memento," and I almost laughed when it happened.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I found that this film suffered from a deficiency that almost every grandiose epic film does, which is that it was primarily plot-driven rather than character-driven. It's gotten to the point where I actually just don't understand how these characters think or why they're behaving in a certain way — it makes sense in terms of plot points (i.e. 'oh, he did x in order to get here'). That's just shitty writing. The best aspect of 'Avengers' was that a large chunk of it (most of the bickering on the ship) was character-driven, not plot-driven. Once the plot set in, in the third act, it became instantly bland.
I was also a little disappointed - I think it sort of stepped away from the mythic/apocalyptic tone of the previous two that you mentioned, instead of heightening it (which is what I wished for/expected). I wish they had done more with the psychological elements - Batman having becoming Bruce Wayne's death drive, a sort of pathological demon that needs to be exorcised, and the return to the dark/light, underground/aboveground dualities of Begins.
ReplyDeleteI enjoyed those parts, and much else, but thought it fizzled out by the end - the ticking time bomb chase scenes felt too prosaic for a grand finale (the "will someone press a button in time?" tension is a comedown from the psychologically fraught climaxes of the other two films, I thought, even if they might have been over the top). Maybe I was too much in "Hey, it's Pittsburgh!!" mode during those scenes to pay enough attention.
@ryante - I agree with you that the twist was a problem, but not for the same reasons. Having been pretty certain that was the case from a point early in the movie, I watched where everything the character did fit with what was going on. And then I was annoyed it was actually that simple.
ReplyDeleteI did still enjoy the movie, but it lost several points when I was not able to lower my expectations enough to get past that and a couple ridiculous lines.
So much to respond to! Forgive me if I go theme-by-theme rather than comment-by-comment.
ReplyDeletePolitics- Certainly Bane himself isn't a radical or an anarchist, just a big evil cat playing with the city before he destroys it. But I still feel, coming out in 2012, that the rioting mobs have a definite "give the poor power, and this is what they do" vibe, especially in the moment where Holly asks Selina why she isn't happier, because isn't this exactly what the wanted.
Tangentially, pointing out that the French Revolution involved significant corruption and mis-use of violence is not the same as saying that popular uprisings will inherently do those things.
Threequelitis- Upon further thought, what bums me out most about the film is that it wasn't even so messy that I could hate it. I feel like it's a perfectly diverting, appealling over-produced summer blockbuster that I had a fine time watching and don't care about very much, one way or the other. Hating it would make me feel better; I just sort of passively liked it, and that's something I cannot forgive.
New city- It was a major problem for me that TDK looked so much like Chicago, but the degree to which TDKR has New York landmarks is unquestionably worse. Not knowing Pittsburgh, that didn't bother me too much, nor did the obvious change from the setting of the last film, since the same happened between BB and TDK.
The twist- I'm with Rebecca. Speculation had pretty much tagged that happening (in fact, almost every major plot point in the last hour had been pretty well assumed by a lot of people I've talked with), so I was anticipating it, and finding it all quite flimsy as a result.
The ending- Not sure how it's even open for interpretation. I assume that exactly what it looks like happened, happened, and SPOILER SPOILER the happy ending didn't bother me even though it totally changed the tone of the whole series; I took it to mean that the arc was Bruce Wayne destroying himself to become Batman and work through his pain, and then finding that in order to actually rise above his pain, he needed to stop being a force and a symbol and become just a man again. And he found a way to do so, but it was not by returning to the now-defunct Bruce Wayne identity.
My education- I dunno. I think Northwestern University actually has a pretty good history department, but I focused on literature, film, and a few social science classes.
Surprised by all the comments, and Tim's review; I thought it was all-around great and a wonderful ending to the series. I'm confused by all the comments (and Tim's review) more or less saying it's not as deep as the other two; confused because I left the theater thinking that it was definitely the biggest in scope and ambition and also the most human. The whole movie was about the legend of Batman, and Bruce Wayne and Alfred and Selina Kyle (as well as Bane) all got really wonderful character moments and I dunno.
ReplyDeleteAlso I can see why people might be upset about the twist at the end, but I liked it.
It might not have been as good as The Dark Knight but IMO that's only because Heath Ledger isn't in it. In every other aspect, it's just as good. Fuck, I might even say some aspects of this one were the trilogy at its peak.
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Now that I've seen it, I think I prefer this to The Dark Knight precisely because of its lack of ambition. TDK reached higher, was sometimes successful in it and had that one magnificent performance, but ruined itself for me by doing all that to illustrate how George W. Bush was actually a badass superhero. TDKR is actually worse ideologically (the villain is a faux-socialist, the people of Gotham don't get to show their inner decency like in TDK's boat scene, there's a whiff of homophobia in how Holly embraces Selena from behind while telling her to enjoy the chaos), but the more modest aims and results here make it less odious to me. To capitalize common nouns, Evil was served not by Beauty and Art, but Competent Blockbuster Filmmaking.
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Did anyone else find it difficult not to think of this during the climax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4v1hAnfy1I ? I was barely able to keep myself from giggling, and I'd be really happy if Nolan did it on purpose.
I'm also of the belief that the ending really isn't up for interpretation. SPOILER SPOILER The friend I went to the movie with and a few coworkers I've spoken to seem to think that he did in fact die and that Alfred is just hallucinating when he sees Bruce and Selina. I personally think people are looking into it too much, they think Nolan wanted to leave an open ended, choose what you think happened type ending similar to Inception.
ReplyDeleteThe weird thing about the mixing of locations is that they actually seemed pretty conscientious about hiding Pittsburgh landmarks (such as they are) - the only thing that might be a giveaway was the Point Park signs they left up. And then they were just like, "Here's the Empire State Building!"
ReplyDeleteI honestly would have preferred downright incompetence to TDKR's overwhelming mediocrity. Feeling as ambivalent as I now do about a Batman film just seems...unnatural, somehow.
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ReplyDeleteI think the biggest problem with the ending and the lingering feeling of ambiguity regarding what Alfred saw stems from the implausibility of Batman surviving that nuclear blast. I know we're supposed to suspend our disbelief for things like this, but that has to be earned, and for me at least the movie hadn't done enough by that point to earn it.
I mean seriously, how the hell did he survive? We saw him in The Bat (which didn't have autopilot) carrying the nuke (which had a six mile blast radius) over the water, and then it exploded. Are we supposed to just make up an explanation as to how he made it out? I just didn't buy it.
Also, that whole situation with Alfred wanting Bruce to move on with his life without telling him came right out of Good Will Hunting.
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ReplyDeleteChris, Fox's last scene shows him finding out Bruce had succeeded in installing an autopilot, so I'm guessing that's supposed to explain how he made it. Just how he managed to eject himself from the Bat and escape the blast at the speed he was going is a different matter.
The aforementioned scene and the one where Gordon finds the repaired bat signal, incidentally, suggest the last scene with Alfred really did happen, unless you think all three hallucinated a happier ending for Bruce.
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In addition to the question of how Bruce Wayne got out of the jet, even if it did have autopilot fixed, there is the question of how he picked up Selina, how they got to Florence, and what money they're living on.
Also, was this some new kind of nuclear bomb that doesn't have any radiation? Wouldn't Gotham still be uninhabitable for many many years?
This might not have bothered me if I liked the movie more, but...it kind of left me cold. It was too dour for the big explodey parts, impressive as they were, to actually be thrilling or awe-inspiring, but it only rarely inspired the pity and terror for which it was aiming. Ah well.
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ReplyDeleteThanks for clarifying Vilsal. I spoke with a friend today and he said the same thing, so I must have forgetten that line from Fox.
However, didn't Batman tell Selina right before taking off that it didn't have autopilot?
Regardless, I feel that that scene was edited to convince the audience that Batman was in The Bat when the nuke went off, and since he suffered a nasty stab wound to his abdomen, the reveal at the end that he's alive and well becomes hard to swallow.
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ReplyDeleteThere are two problems with the ending. The first is a simple matter of plausibility. In any other superhero series, I'd just play the "suspension of disbelief" card because, hey, it's a film about guys with colorful costumes and totally unrealistic abilities. But in a series whose whole raison-d'etre was transplanting a comic-book character into the real world and eschewing fantasy, that defense doesn't work. If you live by the gritty aesthetic, you will also die by the gritty aesthetic if you get sloppy.
The much bigger problem is that the ending is manipulative. Lordy is it ever manipulative, and not in a good way. It wanted to have its cake and eat it, too — to have its sad music and tearful graveside farewell on one hand, and then go "Nope! He's actually alive and living happily ever after in idyllic Europe!" on the other hand. I don't appreciate being faked out like that, especially in a series as steadfastly devoted to an unflinching gaze into the darkness as this one was.
Really, the whole Talia subplot needed to be jettisoned. The big climax, to my mind, was Batman's final confrontation with Bane and his hard-won triumph. Making Bane just a pawn in Talia's scheme retroactively sapped him of the sheer diabolical menace evident in earlier scenes, and his unceremonious dispatching by Catwoman (seriously, we're just going to shoot him and then drop a quip?) left a really bad taste in my mouth. Plus, after the rousing fisticuffs in that sequence, all the business with the imminent detonation of the bomb seemed like an afterthought; and Talia wasn't even necessary for that part because the bomb was on a timer anyway.
Thank you all for making these comments. I thought I was the only one who hated the idiocy of Batman somehow jumping out of a helicopter over the ocean right before a bomb WITH A SIX MILE BLAST RADIUS! goes off. Nolan is the new George Lucas.
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ReplyDeleteThere's one overwhelming reason that I'm cool to Nolan's trilogy: He's not interested in characters, only symbols. Batman's character arc essentially ends with Batman Begins. The next two films are more interested in asking questions like "Does the world need Batman?", "Is the War On Terror justified?", "Should the poor start riots?", and "How many half-formed characters and plot devices can we cram into three hours?".
I can't think of anything interesting that Batman actually did in TDKR. He spent the vast majority of the movie playing into Bane's hands and screwing everything up. In the second half, he constantly gets his arse handed to him before being saved by Catwoman, and then we get the whole bomb thing with the having of cake as well as the eating of said cake.
I come to Batman stories to see Batman face challenges worthy of his skills, be awesome, and go through a healthy dose of personal conflict. I don't expect a 3 hour Messiah narrative. That's what Superman is for.
The other characters are similarly stripped of any innately interesting personality traits and treated as symbols. Why did Nolan introduce Catwoman, then do nothing to explore the complex relationship between her and Batman? Because Nolan chose to use her as his spokesperson for the 99%, which is completely bonkers. Why ignore the one thing that pretty much defines her, then add something new that totally doesn't? She's a thief, not Robin Hood.
Now I'm not in deep enough with the comics to really know much about Talia's character, but for the life of me I can't think of why she (or Catwoman, actually) are in this film. First, she gives Bruce Wayne some pity-sex (which I found even more ridiculous than the half-assed Howard Hughes impression Bale had previously engaged in). Later she reveals herself to (I presume) tie the film in to the League of Shadows from BB... except that we had already knew that Bane was an ex-member and supported their aims, so that was kind of redundant. Then she's dead before her character can gain any depth.
What really hurt was how poorly Bane was handled. For the first two hours or so he was the only thing I really liked about TDKR. He was pure, black-hearted, cold, intelligent evil. I loved watching the guy work. Of course, they had to put in the iconic moment where he broke Batman's back, and honestly I was cheering at that point for all the wrong reasons. Maybe this would now become the Bane film, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt could match wits with him and save the day.
But then the screenwriters suddenly realized that they're making a Batman film. Suddenly, someone's able to just kick Bruce Wayne's portruding vertebra BACK INTO HIS BODY, and miraculously he can beat Bane in a fight by, I don't know, trying really hard? And the cruel blow of revealing this nexus of evil to be the lovesick lapdog of Talia is just sadistic.
tl;dr No sir, I didn't like it.
It was indeed written before Occupy Wall Street, but it was filmed during it. The climactic confrontation between the evil/misguided revolutionaries and the valiant police force was shot on Wall Street, during OWS.
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