09 August 2016
SUICIDE IS PAINLESS
For the second time in 2016, Warner Bros. has released a film in the nascent DC Extended Universe that is simply not that bad, and yet people are running around acting like it beat their dog. That being said, Suicide Squad isn't really very good, when all is said and done. There is good in it. Hell, there's legitimately great in it. But you have to suffer through, like, seven different first acts to start getting to it, and cope with the fact that even at its best, the film is up to some very, very naughty things with its soundtrack, which oscillates between the world's most obvious classic rock and the world's most obvious rap-pop and generally feels like it was selected almost exclusively for all of the 50-year-olds in the audience to have something to cling to.
Be that as it may, the core of the thing comes enormously close to working: some indeterminate time after the events of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (which is referenced just often enough that it's irksome without feeling like Marvel-style homework), the government is terrified at the thought that there exist beings with greater-than-human powers who might very well wish us ill. The question of how to control or contain these beings has apparently been a cause of great consternation to many people, and shadowy U.S. government official Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) thinks she's come up with just the answer: scrounge up several of these "metahumans" who've been already in the business of wreaking small-scale terror and shanghai them into working on behalf of law and order through a combination of threats and vague promises of shorter sentences. In other words; wind up the colorful bad guys and turn them lose without any pesky superheroes to pull focus.
"Root for the bad guys!" isn't as new a concept as the marketing folk always seem to think it is - it's at least decades old in cinema, and much older in other media - but in the particular case of Suicide Squad, the appeal of bringing back that hoary cliché is self-evident: in the DC comics world, the supervillains are generally more entertaining than the superheroes. So presumably, a whole movie full of them is like having a big slice of cake without anybody even asking you to eat your vegetables first. That this doesn't work out quite that well in the execution can be assigned to this or that problem, but a main one is certainly that it inherently requires a certain flair for histrionics, and director-writer David Ayer completely lacks that instinct. It's not exactly that the film isn't the snarky borderline comedy that was promised by the (always obviously misleading) ad campaign, but that the film earnestly wants to be that film, and Ayer has to labor with great intensity to spark any and all jokes that cross his mind. The good version of "a team of psychopaths fight crime" could be either gravely serious and punishing, or it can be a crackling dark comedy, and in Suicide Squad we see the somewhat wheezy attempt to make the latter by a filmmaker whose entire output to date suggests he's much better-suited to the former.
All is not lost! What Suicide Squad can't get to solely on its grim 'n' gritty urban action drama aesthetic (that is to say, nearly everything), it sometimes manages to stumble upon thanks to a just about uniformly good cast, including some people who had no right to work out this well. And I am, yes, thinking in no small part about Jared Leto's small but high-impact role as Juggalo Joker, which generated so much negative press before the film's opening and turns out to be, in fact, really good - take out the awful visual design choices, and Leto's performance, heavy on unamused glee and a tendency to overarticulate all of his facial expressions and upper body movement, is actually the first time since the 1960s that we've had a live-action Joker who meaningfully resembles any version of the character who has ever shown up on the pages of DC Comics (Heath Ledger's performance is an all-time masterwork, of course, but it's an entirely original creation, and while I still enjoy Jack Nicholson's Joker, he's still just doing a Jack).
Mind you, the Joker barely matters - he's a lurking tertiary character. The main action centers on the members of Task Force X, self-described as the Suicide Squad: high-tech assassin Deadshot (Will Smith), cowardly Aussie bank robber Captain Boomerang (Jai Courtney), fire-breathing gang leader El Diablo (Jay Hernandez), master climber Slipknot (Adam Beach), reptilian-human mutant Killer Croc (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), and the Joker's even more demented ladyfriend, Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie). All of them under the immediate command of the dubious Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman), who shares with Waller a remote that can blow the heads off of any of the erstwhile supervillains if they step wrong, and whose ace in the hole is sword master & bodyguard Katana (Karen Fukuhara). Their job: to put themselves in the way of ancient witch Enchantress (Cara Delavingne), one of Waller's bad guys-turned-good guy-turned-back to a bad guy again, all while inhabiting the body of Flag's lover June Moone.
Not exactly a who's who of acting talent, outside of Davis and maybe Smith, and yet not a one of them puts a foot wrong. It's little surprise that the film is Warner's big gift-wrapped present to Robbie, who has been quite a trouper for the studio since the ever-loving hell out of the old-fashioned star vehicle Focus, and she repays them with the best unhinged comic book movie whackjob since Ledger himself, a petulant little snit who likes to laugh at her own jokes and gaze with rapturous joy at the prospect of committing violence. In fact, Robbie comes powerful close to justifying Suicide Squad all by herself. But amazingly, even as reliably terrible a performer as Courtney provides exactly what the role requires - a sniveling alcoholic meathead, in this case, which isn't a role for the ages, but I think it shows that Courtney's problem in America has been trying to hide his Australian accent rather than being an as-such bad actor. Meanwhile, the actors with the ripest backstories - Smith and Hernandez, whose roles share a weird overlap that I'd tend to describe as "Ayer has unresolved anger towards an ex-wife"-ism - manage to turn their characters into unexpectedly soulful, sympathetic monsters: as the sad, unwilling deadbeat dad, I can't say that Smith is miles outside of his comfort zone, but I don't think he's been this alert and invested in a role since I Am Legend all the way back in 2007.
The characters, in short, are awfully worth spending time with. This does not uniformly apply to the film containing them, which includes a bafflingly misshapen screenplay - it introduces some characters three whole times, and has two legitimately self-contained and complete first acts, as well a second act that it likes so much that it repeats it, right down to dialogue which says in almost exactly as many words, "let's go do the thing AGAIN that we just did". If Batman v Superman, in its theatrical release, felt obviously like the gracelessly shortened version of a complete three-hour movie, Suicide Squad feels like they were still trying to figure out which parts of a three-hour movie they didn't need, and were making the wrong choices. It resembles an assembly edit more than a final cut, down to the way that certain scenes are blocked to make absolutely no sense whatsoever - as in, we at one point see Harley ostentatiously hop in an elevator before the rest of the Squad can join her, and then they're all waiting for her when she disembarks. And that among other issues: as usual, Ayer can't make a movie that isn't casually racist against every ethnicity including, oddly, white people, and he really had to work for it this time - making a giant cannibalistic crocodile man into a chain of black stereotypes is so awful it's almost impressive. The film's also rather desperate in its "look, we're a brand!" attempt to shoehorn in Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) and other nods to the impending Justice League (if there was anything not to borrow from Marvel...), and if you've ever seen a superhero movie, you will perhaps not be astonished to learn that Suicide Squad ends with a giant laser show battle.
For all that, though, it's not a hard watch, nor does the 123-minute running time - altogether dainty by modern tentpole standards - move by slowly; the stuff that happens in Suicide Squad is altogether messy in its assemblage, but at least Ayer makes certain to keep it speeding at us quickly. It's largely a sloppy, generic comic book movie elevated by its off-kilter characters and not helped very much by its weak, limited attempts at colorfully exaggerated style. I would like it very much if the DCEU can consistently stay better than this, but it's not going to be the most painful thing in the world if it doesn't.
6/10
Be that as it may, the core of the thing comes enormously close to working: some indeterminate time after the events of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (which is referenced just often enough that it's irksome without feeling like Marvel-style homework), the government is terrified at the thought that there exist beings with greater-than-human powers who might very well wish us ill. The question of how to control or contain these beings has apparently been a cause of great consternation to many people, and shadowy U.S. government official Amanda Waller (Viola Davis) thinks she's come up with just the answer: scrounge up several of these "metahumans" who've been already in the business of wreaking small-scale terror and shanghai them into working on behalf of law and order through a combination of threats and vague promises of shorter sentences. In other words; wind up the colorful bad guys and turn them lose without any pesky superheroes to pull focus.
"Root for the bad guys!" isn't as new a concept as the marketing folk always seem to think it is - it's at least decades old in cinema, and much older in other media - but in the particular case of Suicide Squad, the appeal of bringing back that hoary cliché is self-evident: in the DC comics world, the supervillains are generally more entertaining than the superheroes. So presumably, a whole movie full of them is like having a big slice of cake without anybody even asking you to eat your vegetables first. That this doesn't work out quite that well in the execution can be assigned to this or that problem, but a main one is certainly that it inherently requires a certain flair for histrionics, and director-writer David Ayer completely lacks that instinct. It's not exactly that the film isn't the snarky borderline comedy that was promised by the (always obviously misleading) ad campaign, but that the film earnestly wants to be that film, and Ayer has to labor with great intensity to spark any and all jokes that cross his mind. The good version of "a team of psychopaths fight crime" could be either gravely serious and punishing, or it can be a crackling dark comedy, and in Suicide Squad we see the somewhat wheezy attempt to make the latter by a filmmaker whose entire output to date suggests he's much better-suited to the former.
All is not lost! What Suicide Squad can't get to solely on its grim 'n' gritty urban action drama aesthetic (that is to say, nearly everything), it sometimes manages to stumble upon thanks to a just about uniformly good cast, including some people who had no right to work out this well. And I am, yes, thinking in no small part about Jared Leto's small but high-impact role as Juggalo Joker, which generated so much negative press before the film's opening and turns out to be, in fact, really good - take out the awful visual design choices, and Leto's performance, heavy on unamused glee and a tendency to overarticulate all of his facial expressions and upper body movement, is actually the first time since the 1960s that we've had a live-action Joker who meaningfully resembles any version of the character who has ever shown up on the pages of DC Comics (Heath Ledger's performance is an all-time masterwork, of course, but it's an entirely original creation, and while I still enjoy Jack Nicholson's Joker, he's still just doing a Jack).
Mind you, the Joker barely matters - he's a lurking tertiary character. The main action centers on the members of Task Force X, self-described as the Suicide Squad: high-tech assassin Deadshot (Will Smith), cowardly Aussie bank robber Captain Boomerang (Jai Courtney), fire-breathing gang leader El Diablo (Jay Hernandez), master climber Slipknot (Adam Beach), reptilian-human mutant Killer Croc (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje), and the Joker's even more demented ladyfriend, Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie). All of them under the immediate command of the dubious Rick Flag (Joel Kinnaman), who shares with Waller a remote that can blow the heads off of any of the erstwhile supervillains if they step wrong, and whose ace in the hole is sword master & bodyguard Katana (Karen Fukuhara). Their job: to put themselves in the way of ancient witch Enchantress (Cara Delavingne), one of Waller's bad guys-turned-good guy-turned-back to a bad guy again, all while inhabiting the body of Flag's lover June Moone.
Not exactly a who's who of acting talent, outside of Davis and maybe Smith, and yet not a one of them puts a foot wrong. It's little surprise that the film is Warner's big gift-wrapped present to Robbie, who has been quite a trouper for the studio since the ever-loving hell out of the old-fashioned star vehicle Focus, and she repays them with the best unhinged comic book movie whackjob since Ledger himself, a petulant little snit who likes to laugh at her own jokes and gaze with rapturous joy at the prospect of committing violence. In fact, Robbie comes powerful close to justifying Suicide Squad all by herself. But amazingly, even as reliably terrible a performer as Courtney provides exactly what the role requires - a sniveling alcoholic meathead, in this case, which isn't a role for the ages, but I think it shows that Courtney's problem in America has been trying to hide his Australian accent rather than being an as-such bad actor. Meanwhile, the actors with the ripest backstories - Smith and Hernandez, whose roles share a weird overlap that I'd tend to describe as "Ayer has unresolved anger towards an ex-wife"-ism - manage to turn their characters into unexpectedly soulful, sympathetic monsters: as the sad, unwilling deadbeat dad, I can't say that Smith is miles outside of his comfort zone, but I don't think he's been this alert and invested in a role since I Am Legend all the way back in 2007.
The characters, in short, are awfully worth spending time with. This does not uniformly apply to the film containing them, which includes a bafflingly misshapen screenplay - it introduces some characters three whole times, and has two legitimately self-contained and complete first acts, as well a second act that it likes so much that it repeats it, right down to dialogue which says in almost exactly as many words, "let's go do the thing AGAIN that we just did". If Batman v Superman, in its theatrical release, felt obviously like the gracelessly shortened version of a complete three-hour movie, Suicide Squad feels like they were still trying to figure out which parts of a three-hour movie they didn't need, and were making the wrong choices. It resembles an assembly edit more than a final cut, down to the way that certain scenes are blocked to make absolutely no sense whatsoever - as in, we at one point see Harley ostentatiously hop in an elevator before the rest of the Squad can join her, and then they're all waiting for her when she disembarks. And that among other issues: as usual, Ayer can't make a movie that isn't casually racist against every ethnicity including, oddly, white people, and he really had to work for it this time - making a giant cannibalistic crocodile man into a chain of black stereotypes is so awful it's almost impressive. The film's also rather desperate in its "look, we're a brand!" attempt to shoehorn in Bruce Wayne (Ben Affleck) and other nods to the impending Justice League (if there was anything not to borrow from Marvel...), and if you've ever seen a superhero movie, you will perhaps not be astonished to learn that Suicide Squad ends with a giant laser show battle.
For all that, though, it's not a hard watch, nor does the 123-minute running time - altogether dainty by modern tentpole standards - move by slowly; the stuff that happens in Suicide Squad is altogether messy in its assemblage, but at least Ayer makes certain to keep it speeding at us quickly. It's largely a sloppy, generic comic book movie elevated by its off-kilter characters and not helped very much by its weak, limited attempts at colorfully exaggerated style. I would like it very much if the DCEU can consistently stay better than this, but it's not going to be the most painful thing in the world if it doesn't.
6/10
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As a lifelong DC comics fan it's actually been harder to see the critical reaction to their new movies than anything else. I went in feeling down but I found this to be a fun, sloppy ride with enough positives to walk out happy. And yes on the Joker. The scene of him cackling and firing a machine gun is so pure and perfect. Harley was a great creation but did anyone find the group overall too...cuddly? When it gets to them questioning why they should save the world since the world never did anything for them, that feels more like misunderstood outcasts talking a la Hellboy or X Men rather than hardened villains. I can't help but think a more serious, less CGI heavy route would have been more satisfying. I feel like this will be a movie I can put on in the background anytime and at least walk away with a few great performances but...I wish this DC universe could really soar. Is it wrong to always hope for a Batman Begins? Or a Batman Returns?!
ReplyDeleteThe Joker is NOTHING like the comics, as played by Leto. Obviously, the design and performance are two massive stumbling blocks which can't be dismissed. But there's other stuff too. Firstly, Leto is obviously a gangster type, asking people to kiss his ring and making deals in seedy clubs. The Joker is NOT a gangster. He's pure anarchy. He's above the system, not a part of it. Secondly, Leto is a tactical mastermind, getting guards to give Harley a phone, blackmailing scientists with their wives and hacking computer bombs. The Joker is NOT an overt tactician. The Joker is unpredictable. His plans are ingenious because they only make sense after they've happened. Third, Leto clearly cares about Harley Quinn and devotes the film to saving her. The Joker does NOT care about Harley as anything more than his right hand/possible sex object. He would not take great risk just to release a minion.
ReplyDeleteAlso, that's Four Superhero films you've given the 6/10 this year. Any indicator which are best/worse?
Have fun at University (3 day gap means Brayton's back).
I think the fact the this movie comes so close to working but doesn't is what makes me feel so hostile towards it. Here's a movie with all the right parts, assembled in the wrong way, and it's totally frustrating!
ReplyDeleteAnyone read up on the production issues this film had? 'Cause holy shit, it sounds like a disaster.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-suicide-squad-being-the-worst-place-1782354579
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-suicide-squad-being-the-worst-place-1784804309
Agree. I would give it a 7 out of 10 but you are correct the plot is a mess but the characters and actors are uniformly excellent. Watching this movie makes me want to see more on them in their own movies like Captain Boomerang and Flash and Joker and Harley face off against Batman. That's the thing about the DCEU so far. I like them despite their flaws, but the movies make me want to see these characters paired down to their own films but obviously we gotta follow the Marvel model and overstuff every comic book movie with too many characters. I am also starting to get really irritated by the fact that not only are the DC films receiving scathing reviews that are not completely justified but that Marvel keeps getting glowing praise and looked at as how all superhero movies should be done. Personally I am getting bored with the airbrushed glossed over product that Marvel is peddling. Also each film feels like there are more and more characters but end up having less personality as result. With Whedon gone and not being as in love with Civil War as the rest of America I may check out of the Marvel universe soon and not look back except for maybe Guardians and Spider-Man. That said I fear Spider-man will be too overstuffed with the Marvel universe as well and not allowed to be its own thing.
ReplyDeleteTo be clear, I don't like this movie, but the rancor with which critics have hit Suicide Squad is baffling, to the point that you almost do need to have some kind of extrinsic explanation.
ReplyDeleteThe conspiracy theorists are crazy, of course, but I almost wonder if the DC movies' general iffiness since The Dark Knight Rises have just opened a door in everyone's mind that allows them to vent their frustration with superhero films generally, upon a target that's acceptable.
After all, in the case of the DC flicks you can point to potentially-serious foundational and conceptual problems. ("Superman accidentally killed 100,000 people!" "So, what, is the Senator gonna drink the piss?" "Tom Hardy sounds like an idiot, take 23.") And SS is definitely the worst of that bunch, in that it's not even competently-made, so the knives come out. The point is that when you can randomly sample 20 reviews of any superhero film, and at least 3 or 4 of them will mention superhero fatigue (not least here on Antagony! though one of Tim's greatest strengths is his combination of honest dealing and awareness of his own motivations for liking or disliking something), one simply wonders if the DCEU has becomes a punching bag due to accumulated ill-will of folks having to watch every superhero movie that every studio makes. (Not that this sounds like such a chore to me: it's like five movies a year. Big deal.) Throw the accumulated distaste for Zack Snyder (and even, to an extent, for Chris Nolan!), and the things are already facing an uphill struggle before the first frame is witnessed.
And so, if they aren't bulletproof (and they are not), what you get is nigh-on apocalyptic language--even when "I don't care for it, and it's a waste, and it's a somewhat shitty mess, but it does do some things well" would do.
(For the record, though, BvS is in contention for my favorite movie of the damned year. So maybe I'm the crazy one.)
Interesting review; I caught Suicide Squad Saturday night as the final entry in a three-film marathon at the only Drive-In theater in my vicinity, and was surprised that it ended up being my favorite of the night (The Secret Life of Pets and Jason Bourne were the other two films by the way).
ReplyDeleteI can't bring myself to say it's a good film, but even as the script and editing are so painfully undercooked, I find myself feeling the movie "works" in a way that BvS didn't, and that primarily comes down to the characters. Robbie, Smith, and Davis in particular are excellent, and even the worst members of the ensemble feel simply bland to me rather than actively "bad." The film never sells it's big character arcs-- particularly Diablo's declaration that the Squad is now his "family" is face-palm worthy levels of desperation on WB's part to have their very own Guardians of the Galaxy and having no idea how to get there. Did Diablo ever even interact with anyone besides Quinn and Deadshot? Besides, the film only takes place over the course of 6-7 hours at most... And that's even putting aside how many elements of the film work to actively undercut the basic premise (Most obnoxious is the Suicide Squad having a military escort-- why get a bunch of untrained psychopaths together if you have a crack squad of trained soldiers that are already capable of doing the job? The actual mission Task Force X undertakes in the film feels like a woefully wrong story to introduce these characters to the screen; almost as bad as a Batman/Superman film about the two of them trying to murder each other).
But despite all of these-- and many more problems-- I still LIKED Jay Hernandez as Diablo. I liked Harley Quinn and Deadshot too, and I even liked Captain Boomerang and most of the side-characters even if they were hardly given anything to do. It's a movie that has enough good elements that it's frustrating it couldn't have been better. More than anything, I'm actually kind of bummed that we'll never get to see the version of this movie that existed prior to BvS's disastrous response, because you can still sense the kernels of it in there with various beats, gags, and lines of dialogue that are set-up without any payoff or payed off without any set-up (the biggest, most egregious example seems to be a re-shot ending and the excisement of The Joker showing up during the climactic battle with Harley choosing between her lover and her friends/the mission-- I'm genuinely flabbergasted at the decision to re-work that entire ending).
I liked Diablo. I liked...Viola Davis performance, if not her character's sheer incompetence. I liked...Jai Courtney!? I liked Will Smith.
ReplyDeleteThat's really about it. There are like 14 different opening scenes before this thing even starts, with this constant, awful, nigh-on unstoppable soundtrack of tired pop songs that dont seem to have any rhyme or rhythm outside "people really liked this with Guardians of the Galaxy did it". There isn't any convincing team bonding or dynamics, which is the very core of the concept and the death knell for this being a successful movie. The villains are some of the very worst comic book bad guys of this young century, and yes I'm including those forgettable baddies from Thor 2 and GOTG. They're so impossibly generic and nonthreatening, ending with yet ANOTHER incomprehensible giant portal in the sky climax with faceless CG goons battle. The editing is so bad that most people cant even tell you that Batman was giving Harley mouth-to-mouth; there's no sense of internal logic to this thing's narrative. The action sequences arent even very good, so muddy is their geography, so choppy is its editing, so unmemorable are any of its beats or images.
And Jared Leto Joker, I'm sorry, Tim. You're my favorite movie critic and I've read you for many years now. But I don't think I've EVER disagreed with a paragraph of yours so vehemently as that one praising Jared Leto's Joker being true to the character. I've read a lot of Joker comics. The early Golden Age ones, the silver age stories, the Denny O'Neil/Neal Adams murderous 70s Joker and then Steve Engelhart/Marshall Rogers Joker, the Dark Knight Returns, Paul Dini/Bruce Timm synthesis, Grant Morrison super-persona Joker...I've seen a lot of variations. There isn't A N Y T H I N G of them in Jared Leto's horrid portrayal. He is not menacing. He is not threatening. He is not intelligent, scary, or funny in any way. He is a random assembly of tics and verbiage in clown paint and green hair. He is a Comic Con cosplayer. And he's in the movie like 7 minutes and is mostly irrelevant. The worst live-action Joker yet.
I hated this movie. Deeply, and truly. In a summer as bad as this has been for mainstream entertainment, it represents everything I dislike about big studio moviemaking today. An ugly, mean-spirited, narratively jumbled, visually and audibly incongurent mess, edited and reedited to fit test screenings, created not out of any love for the source material, but simply as an extension of the brand name. This is the apotheosis of today's current Hollywood trends. This is the big bad final boss waiting at the end of the game. This is the enemy.
I thought this movie was perfectly fine as a summer diversion with a highly intriguing portrayal of joker on the part of Leto. I'll agree with the general sentiment that the critical backlash it's receiving is hyperbolic to say the least. Hunter Allan has offered a potentially compelling reason for why that is.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with one of the comments above. I think the reason why DCEU films have been bashed is because of genre fatigue, and critics are already tired of watching so many superhero movies that when a sloppy one comes, like BvS and this one, they quickly lash out and notice every defect it has, which is good because this movie is definitely nothing more than commercialized crud, alongside the superhero genre in general which is capitalism at its highest expression.
ReplyDelete"Superhero fatigue": that's a phrase you think you'd hear from more critics these days, since yes, many seem to be rather wearying of superhero movies. That said, although I know the conventional wisdom around here is that the AV Club has seen better days, it seems like they (namely Ignatiy Vishnevetsky) and Tim see somewhat eye to eye on Suicide Squad; he gave it a C. All in all, this doesn't look like it holds a candle to The Dark Knight or Batman '89, but it ain't no Batman and Robin either. (And I'm sure many a moviemaker over the past two decades has said that before, "At least it's not Batman and Robin".)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.avclub.com/review/suicide-squad-whole-lot-pretty-and-whole-lot-clums-240480
Maybe my opinion doesn't count here since I haven't seen this movie and have no plans to, but I don't think I buy the halfway sympathetic mobster Joker either. The Joker should be an agent of chaos. That said...maybe I'm also a bitter contrarian and Nicholson was my first Joker, but Nicholson was better to me. As the guy below put it, people forget that the Joker isn't just a murderous sociopath; he's a comedian, or at least thinks he is. Scary as he was, Ledger didn't have any "Love that Joker!" moments.
http://entertainment.blogs.uatu.net/2011/01/03/jack-nicholson-was-a-better-joker-than-heath-ledger/
Barring any Batman and Robin-tier disasters that kill all superhero flicks for three years, do you think that when the genre fades out (as it will, like all trends; at least temporarily), it might be with a whimper instead of a bang?
It's not much of a conspiracy to be perfectly honest. The critics are bitter that despite BvS being so demonstrably and objectively broken, the fans' reaction was to rebuke them by ensuring the film stayed a financial smash. The absurdly low ratings for this perfectly acceptable film is the critics' equivalent of the subsequent drive-by shooting. This is coming from an institition whose insecurities and loss of power are directly tied to the death of print media, their job security, and their fall from a previously respected position of authority.
ReplyDeleteAs a casual observer, it's interesting to see the same establishment scorn toward the voters playing out in the political arena, also playing out in the dynamic between art critics and consumers. Much to their distress, people can get their news from Democracy Now, just like they can get their film reviews from here, Tim. The other irony we may as well sit back and laugh at is how these "extended universes" that make it so hard to enjoy films in their own right and merely serve as chapters in a neverending saga, is now being mirrored unconsciously by film critics writing reviews that can only really be understood in the context of their own unfolding drama surrounding preceding reviews, and don't make too much emotional sense on their own.
Anyone else stoked for 'Kermode and Mayo : Civil War'? I know I am.
I surprisingly really liked this movie, for a kit of the reasons you highlighted, but Leto? I thought he was awful. Both as an adaptation of the Joker (can't across way too sane) and as a performance in general. He seemed like a guy playing a guy playing the Joker. Just bad all around. The script did him no favors, but he was easily worst in show.
ReplyDeleteAnd, yeah, I don't understand why WB can't edit a DC movie to save their lives, but this movie's editing was almost as bad as the trainwreck of BvS.
ReplyDeleteI'll have to take issue with idea that Leto's iteration of the joker is at odds with the character as he is portrayed in the comics. I've encountered many stories where the Joker is a psychotic gangster and not simply an agent of chaos. Look no further than Batman: The Animated Series where Joker is basically a mob boss with a penchant for cracking dark jokes. Nicholson's Joker was also caste from the 'psycho mobster' mould.
ReplyDeleteBut here, he's JUST a mobster. TAS Joker and Nicholson actually cracked jokes, they were actually funny. Leto doesn't really do that. His "mobster/psycho" ratio is, like, 70/30.
DeleteOther than the makeup and the allusion to his origin story, he could have been any generic gangster ever.
ReplyDeletePlus Leto was awful. Jai fucking Courtney out performed Leto by a massive margin in this movie.
I thought the *spoilers* scene of the rescue chopper turning around to reveal the joker spraying a machine gun at the squad and laughing maniacally was a classic joker moment Leto nailed to a T. Keeping in mind that Leto's performance was drastically cut (which is very apparent in the choppiness of some of the flash back scenes) I thought he acquitted himself well. For seven minutes of screen time, or thereabouts, the Joker's dark humour shone through, e.g. The exploding gift basket and the smile painted on his hand. I think Leto's a tool as much as the next guy but in my estimation he made a pretty huge impression with such limited screen time.
ReplyDeleteYou also have to point out his torture of Harley Quinn. "I'm not going to kill you, I'm just going to make you feel a lot of pain" while laughing and clearly enjoying it. That's also very like the Joker.
ReplyDeleteYeah, my problem with Jared Leto's Joker was that he was just too 'pretty-boy' for me. I like an older, more sinister and physically repulsive Joker. Something closer to the Arkham video games. All the more to make sexy Harley Quinn's attraction to him seem inexplicable and therefore more fascinating. And by the way, did anyone besides me miss Harley's classic Brooklyn accent? Personally Harley isn't fully Harley to me without it.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious about something else Tim said. About the casual racist attitudes towards both Black and Whites in this film? Where was that? I'm not denying it was there, I just want someone to point out to me where it was in the film. The only thing I particularly noticed was that Croc had an African American accent and that was okay with me because some Blacks have Black accents. I don't look down on them for it. I'm an African American woman myself. And how was this film racist against White people?
Just wondering if anyone cares to point it out. Thanks.
I'd stop short of calling it racism against white people, but the film, as a whole, just peddles a whole lot of stereotypes.
ReplyDeleteSo, for example, Captain Boomerang is an Australian and the extent of his characterisation is that he has a boomerang, drinks heavily and says "Mate". It may not be racism, but it's pretty reductive. As reductive as making Killer Croc a black man who speaks monosyllabically in ebonics and whose main character beat is wanting to watch rap videos, having El Diablo as a gang member, and having the Japanese Katana's character essentially entirely defined by her samurai sword.
It's kind of like the Epcot Centre World Showcase of superhero movies, with national weapons replacing national costume.
Arguably, you could make a case for racism in the way that Deadshot stands out as the one real noble character (a conflicted family man who loves his daughter and tries to do the right thing) in a world where even the "good guys" are weak, venal, corrupt and morally murky (including Batman).
I think to have one or two of these easy characterisations in a comic book movie is probably forgivable, but it comes off as a bit lazy in this film.
Yes I see it now, thanks.
DeleteI was thinking the other day that if you got rid of the business with the Enchantress being the villain and just started this film with a simple meeting in which the government/military/CIA guys explain that The Joker and some other bad guys are running wild and, with Superman gone and Batman AWOL, they are powerless to stop them, and then Amanda Waller says "In order to stop these people, you have to think like them". She wallops the dossier on the desk and we have each of the Squad's backstory (who they are, what they do, how they got caught) quickly dealt with. Then we cut to the maximum security prison. They get released. They do their thing.
ReplyDeleteAs it was, it made little to no sense for everyone to agree to Waller's taskforce. How is being good at shooting, handy with a baseball bat or chucking a boomerang "metahuman" and how is it going to help against an actual superhuman?
Awful action sequences, terrible editing and confused plotting, this thing was scuppered from the minute they decided to make the Suicide Squad's first mission taking down the Enchantress - all the more egregious because it also undermines Amanda Waller's credibility by making her look stupid. "You see, my Suicide Squad idea was a great idea because they helped stop the thing that I made happen."
Yeah, for all the talk of "recruiting metahumans," the only actual metahumans in the film are Enchantress and Diablo. Maybe Deadshot, if we're really generous.
DeleteMy thanks to Jon for stepping in - that's pretty much what I had in mind with "racist towards everybody", though given Ayer's history, I was extra-sensitive to how he portrayed Croc as a hoodie-wearing thug whose solitary wish is for a television with BET access.
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